Wisconsin CRJ-200 has ENGINE SHUT DOWN MIDAIR | Diverts to Elmira

Do one for the small single engine that ditched in the water in Hawaii near LNY last night

They were going to Syracuse. I believe I saw some news articles about the passengers being put on busses. Or if they were polite maybe some rental credits. Definitely not a flight out of KELM

@A B The QRH for this issue only says land at nearest suitable. Not "immediately" like some others. Likely due to loss of second engine making them lose their thrust reverse and with KSYR being Slush at the time better to go to KELM

@A B sure, and losing an engine is that. But just as the closest exit may be the one behind you, it could also be that the destination is the quickest airport to land at. Radon360 indicates they actually did save time, so the diversion makes sense.

@A B True enough. Yet paradoxically, the flight crew didn't didn't declare an emergency. I guess it's one of those cases where potentially following all of the procedures, at the end of it all, they really didn't get on the ground any faster.

A lot of QRH procedures require “Land *immediately* at nearest suitable airport”, or “land at nearest suitable airport”. There is no discretion to continue for the pilots to even consider, dependent on the emergency.

@radon360 : so they saved 10 minutes? OK, I guess that makes sense to divert then.

Likely due to the runway conditions at the time in KSYR without an engine they wouldn't have all thrust reversers. And they can't land on a "contaminated" runway without them. Which was slush at the time.

I remember a story about an air force plane, declared an emergency because of engine vibrations. He was told he would have to wait. A B-52 had had a flame out on one engine and was being given priority. Back came the reply, "Oh no! Not the dreaded 7-engine landing!"

KATW beautiful little town

Also, while the crew said they didn't need assistance, ATC ignored that like they're trained to do.

​@Don Schwartz : they didn't know it was a commercial flight on Air Wisconsin until tower answered the question whether it was a commercial flight (4:15).

@Don Schwartz Private jets do not carry that many passengers? Boeing offers a couple of 7x7 variants called 7x7-BBJ (Boeing business jet). Trump had a 757-BBJ; don’t know if he still does, but it’s probably been deadheaded a few times, perhaps to VCV. A better question from Truck 12 would’ve been the type of AC & HAZMAT, not what the AC's purpose is.

To all of my detractors I say this. He was told that it was Air Wisconsin and a flight number. Even if it were chartered it is still considered a commercial flight because it is being flow by a commercial carrier. Private jets do not carry that many passengers. Those are chartered by sport teams and use commercial carriers. ATC knew what was going on and the crew said they didn't need ground support.

I don’t know why he cares but other options would include a charter, military, a private jet (eg a sports team).

Emergency was declared. Though aircraft was talking to center first which got relayed down to Elmira. Which is why they already knew what was going on by the time they got close

The nonchalant attitude comes from 1. engine out training, and 2. flying a CRJ2. The plane is always having issues

@saxmanb777 Understood. Thank you for the explanation. 🙂

@Paul Davison It's actually a 6 point scale. 6 being dry, 5 wet and Good braking action all the way down to 0 being NIL braking action. (Don't land on a NIL runway. :) Thats basically ice.

@Chris Schack Gotcha. So, each 1/3 of the runway is rated on a 5 point scale for stopping?

Braking action good for all three thirds of the runway, and it's wet.

Just thinking the same thing. Sounds like a rookie

Seriously. The guy is talking to a professional controller, you can request more than one piece of information in a single call. Way to increase their workload chaining all those questions.

@Tristan Ross lol

I know right?

Real consequences for the Biden Cuomo Pelosi team!!

@phapnui Even the aliens fear the phrase "I have a number for you when you're ready" 😂

The UFO was given a number to call on account of the low pass over the aircraft. Them ET's in a lot of trouble now. FAA may yank their intergalactic space license.

Wow

With 150,000 hours in my logbook, I agree.

Haha, absolutely possible 😁

@phapnui furthermore - truck 12 very may have been on ground frequency. That’s typically the frequency land-faring vehicles monitor. Unless there’s an emergency.

@phapnui there is a lot of ‘what if’ or ‘probably’ - in aviation, if in doubt, you ask again. For whatever reason, truck 12 quite evidently did not register the information his operations require and he made sure he received them.

@Michael Aslan Not if he failed to monitor the radio.

@mobiletransportvideo Absolutely.

@David Herman - Previous controlling facility, passed all the pertinent info, prior to handing control over to Elmira Appch., so he was well informed of the situation, standard procedure.

I'm wondering if the mayday call got cut. It seemed like ATC already knew there was some sort of emergency

The airline I flew for, it was pilots discretion.

Its called communication and co-ordination.....obvs not trained very well ...

@Viktor Bengtsson possibly but, I can’t say for sure either way.

@Justin Saltalamacchia Thanks, I suddenly remember parts of other videos like these where ground at JFK tells aircraft to monitor tower at 123.9 or something similar. So "tower" and "ground" are different, but everyone are sitting close to each other in the physical tower? Is it likely that truck 10 and truck 12 were talking to the same person, but on different frequencies and thus T12 was not aware that T10 already had the information?

@Viktor Bengtsson in this case the trucks are either on the tower or ground frequency. So approach gets the info from the pilot, relays it to the tower position (in this case the tower and ground position are the same controller) who then relay the information the to fire trucks. The firetrucks only talked to the 1 controller for ground movement and info. Great question: The main difference between ground and local are pretty much that. Ground controls all movement on the ground for which they control. The local controller controls the runways and surrounding designated airspace.

@Justin Saltalamacchia Thanks a lot for the clarification! So did I understand correctly that the trucks and the pilot talked to different persons? And what is the difference between the roles of ground and local? I guess ground is for taxi and generally moving around the taxiways. The things I know are mostly from watching these kind of videos from another channel, typically featuring Kennedy Steve.

Makes sense. In my town the firefighters say "every day is a practice day" -- if they're not responding they're training and this is another way to do that.

@LegoTux Same here, precautionary standby rolls all 4 ARFF trucks, Airport Medics & LEO and another Muni ambulance and ALS-Engine/Ladder duo. Confirmed in-air emergency, seems like the whole county descends into chaos, Fire & EMS flood from everywhere.

Precautionary standby doesnt usually roll municipal backup- at least locally. Confirmed emergency does. If a normal approach is expected, no point in that level of disruption.

In my area, when they roll ARFF at the airport which serves regional commuter jets. They also pull Ambulances, Engines, and Tankers from about a dozen surrounding towns, many of which only have one Tank or Ambulance. Usually the farther out apparatus get canceled before they get to the airport, because the plane lands without major issues before they arrive.

I'm thinking more of the dump truck dumping a bunch of assorted lamps onto the pavement.

@Noel Down “Just kidding.”

And Johnny pulls the plug...

Many years ago we had a stopover at Washington, to change planes. When the flight destination, Dulles, was announced over the PA, my wife and I looked at each other. We thought she said "Dallas".

Did you mean you are a Dullard? Don't be so hard on yourself hon.

@Oleg Khad first one was truck 10, second was truck 12. Not sure why they couldn't talk to each other to pass along the info...

@Oleg Khad They must not have recieved it because the later comms asks how their radio is working

@Oleg Khad • You know what, as I was listening to it all, I had it in my mind that this was “Round 2” of the question/answer session, and then I second-guessed myself, incorrectly. (I was too lazy to rewind a little and check.) My memory is getting to be a mess! Got a BIG birthday coming up, lol. Anyway, you reminded me of the reason I need to double-check myself. That was really over the top repetition - but it was nice and clear!

It is the cleanest radio, but he was given all the info, why ask again for the exact same info? Souls ? Fuel? Runway? Call sign?

Agreed! Very succinct and touched all bases clearly!

Except for the captain.

@MSRT&A Productions damn it.

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